Quoted triples not mentioned in primer

[kvistgaard]

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[TallTed]

Can you provide some more detail on what this issue involves? Where are quoted triples not mentioned? Why should they be, there? The more relevant details you can provide, the more likely we will be able to address your concern.

[gkellogg]

So far, the Primer has no real updates for RDF 1.2/RDF-star. Probably fine until the core specs are more mature. Note that this version hasn’t been published yet, other than the editors draft on GitHub.

[niklasl]

I believe this will be addressed by #16 (it's "triple terms" now, and "reifying triples" using such).

[w3cbot]

This was discussed during the #rdf-star meeting on 19 December 2024.

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Quoted triples not mentioned in primer 1

ora: niklasl, you're editing the primer. what to do about this?

niklasl: I added this because there was an issue asking for what I am addressing with the linked PR.

<niklasl> w3c/rdf-primer#16

<gb> Pull Request 16 Add introduction of triple terms and accompanying Turtle examples (by niklasl) [needs discussion]

niklasl: we've had a discussion already. It's coming together.

gkellogg: is quoted triples not an archaic term? that's from the CG.

niklasl: yes. the title should be rephrased.

pchampin: I'm happy to edit the issue.

niklasl: I commented last week.
… I piggy-backed on this issue. Don't think the PR was possible to add. It's label needs discussion.
… content-wise, I dont' know if we want to debate something here.

pchampin: I haven't looked at latest changes yet.

niklasl: the trick is to keep it small enough. Important thing first. More editorial things...
… perhaps I should have done editorial errata first.

ora: how does the terminology change?

niklasl: quoted triples went away.
… they've been called "triple terms" (the syntactic structure).

ora: not only do we make these chnages, but should we inform the person who raised this?
… there may be a lot of these that external people raise. if we reply to each separately... that may be a lot of work.

gkellogg: I don't know if it's the same process to follow as a NOTE.

ora: then I think it's sufficient that when we close this, the person who opened it can, if interested, go see what's going on.

niklasl: there might be another issue which isn't raised on the primer.
… which William asked about. It would be useful if we were able to say something friendly about how to decide when reading the primer.
… reifiers vs. named graphs and how they relate.

ora: going to be an important piece to put in there.
… that can be a source of confusion for a lot of people.

niklasl: there's some discussion regarding the choice of examples.
… I would love for that to be a separate issue.
… if the wording is acceptable, then we could merge this to have something added, subsequently discuss the examples.
… I don't think it needs [this], would prefer not to. The primer has been used for many years, and haven't heard anyone raising issues regarding it.
… hard to determine what the most common thing will be here.

ora: based on how this group was started, may turn out to be an interest for people.
… my suggestion would be not to raise an issue at this point.
… I think the changes you've made here... can we just merge these now?
… anybody want to review this?

niklasl: I suspect not everyone has had the time. We could ask at the semantics meeting tomorrow.

ora: do that. if there's nothing, then just go for it.

niklasl: I'd love for pchampin to approve it, since you've requested changes.

pchampin: browsing quickly now.

niklasl: took most of what you suggested as-is.
… tried not to subconciously change wording according to my opinions.

ora: we need something for the minutes to reflect our course of action.

<ora> PROPOSAL: Niklas to check with William and merge afterwards

<ora> +1

<niklasl> +1

<AndyS> +1

<pchampin> +1

<gtw> +0 # not feeling totally up to date, but happy to go along with this

<ktk> +1

<AZ> +1

<gkellogg> +1

<james> +1

<TallTed> +1

pchampin: I suggest when you write resolution, you add reference to what needs to be merged.
… make text of resolution self-contained.

RESOLUTION: Niklas to check with William and merge afterwards w3c/rdf-primer#16

<gb> Pull Request 16 Add introduction of triple terms and accompanying Turtle examples (by niklasl) [needs discussion]

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